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hieromonachusaidanus	New Development 2010	#81	[-]
Posts: 376 May 4 10 9:04 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Christus Surrexit! Another development in the Western rite portion of the Russian Orthodox Church. Fr. Hieromonk David (Pierce) has been elevated to the rank of Abbot. Here is a picture of Fr. Abbot David, who, I believe, is a member of this group: The thought just occurs to me: If Fr. David is indeed in the paruchia of Tasmania, he is now the highest-ranking clergyman in that paruchia. Does that mean that Fr. Abbot David now has authority over all goings-on in England and authority over Tasmania? I do not know. Fr. Hieromonk Aidan+ (Keller) Holy Protection Russian Orthodox Church, Austin, Texas (picture below) http://www.orthodoxaustin.org
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leoxiii		#82	[-]
Posts: 3521 May 4 10 10:51 AM Cyber-Pontiff Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Congratulations, Fr. David!
jbc1949		#83	[-]
Posts: 6504 May 4 10 3:44 PM Camerlengo & Grand Inquisitor Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	In reference to Fr. David's picture, I notice that he is not wearing his stole crossed as is the case for priests who celebrate the TLM. Now I perceive the Anglican related rites of Western Orthodoxy are traditional to say the least. Was there a time perhaps pre-1054AD, for example, wherein Latin rite priests wore the stole underneath the chasuble uncrossed? Fr. David is wearing a maniple, thank the Lord! I wish the maniple would be mandatory for all RC priests including those who celebrate the Ordinary Form (known to me and some other troglodytic recidivists as the Pedestrian Form) of the Roman Rite liturgy. Torqy . . . who's looking to cyber-rack another internet porno troll. "non omnis moriar" . . . Horace, Odes "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" . . . Red Green Show "They see well that all who speak are nothing, for they shall fade away with the sound of their words, but the Lord endures forever." . . . Thomas a Kempis, THE IMITATION OF CHRIST, Book 4, Chapter 14, No. 4
Latinopadre		#84	[-]
Posts: 1238 May 4 10 6:29 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	As the stole is under the chasuble, it is hard to tell, but it would seem from the slight angle that it is crossed. An Abbot, however (in the Roman Rite) has the right to Pontificals, and would not be required, (under the rubrics of the TLM) to cross his stole.
jbc1949		#85	[-]
Posts: 6504 May 5 10 3:28 PM Camerlengo & Grand Inquisitor Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Any abbot or a mitred abbot? "non omnis moriar" . . . Horace, Odes "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" . . . Red Green Show "They see well that all who speak are nothing, for they shall fade away with the sound of their words, but the Lord endures forever." . . . Thomas a Kempis, THE IMITATION OF CHRIST, Book 4, Chapter 14, No. 4
Latinopadre		#86	[-]
Posts: 1238 May 5 10 6:45 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The rite of the blessing of an abbot included the vesting with pontificals (If memory serves) The elevation of a Monastic House to the status of an Abbey (In the Roman Church) by Rome grants this.
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hieromonachusaidanus		#87	[-]
Posts: 376 May 6 10 9:13 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Christ is risen! I think no speed is too speedy, when it comes to the blessed work of the Troll Extermination Committee. I do not know if Father Abbot is wearing his stole crossed, but I do know that in England, in the early middle ages, the stole was uncrossed. That was, then, the normative practice for the various uses of the Roman rite. The crossing of the stole is a Spanish custom (probably pre-Schism) which became very popular and spread throughout the Roman rite in the course of the middle and late middle ages. So keeping the stole UN-crossed, is a legitimate custom of the Sarum Use. Fr. Aidan+ a sinner Holy Protection Russian Orthodox Church, Austin, Texas http://www.orthodoxaustin.org
jbc1949		#88	[-]
Posts: 6504 May 6 10 12:28 PM Camerlengo & Grand Inquisitor Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Re: the most recent Troll, our cyber-Pontiff took care of the miscreant expeditiously. mrhung11 has also been cyber-drawn and cyber-quartered, so there was no need for my esteemed colleague in the "Discipline" Department, Old Anglican, to soil the YF's cyber-rack! LOL Thanks Latin Father for the info on abbots and thanks Fr. Aidan for info on the ancient practice of stole vesture. I suspected it might be a Saurum Use practice, but wasn't sure. Again, I am overjoyed in seeing the maniple being restored to its rightful dignity as an ecclesiastical vestment of the Western Rite. I also noticed that Fr. David is wearing an amice, another neglected ecclesiastical garment. I get so tied of seeing those wrap-around collars on modern albs. Ycccch! "non omnis moriar" . . . Horace, Odes "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" . . . Red Green Show "They see well that all who speak are nothing, for they shall fade away with the sound of their words, but the Lord endures forever." . . . Thomas a Kempis, THE IMITATION OF CHRIST, Book 4, Chapter 14, No. 4
LatinMan		#89	[-]
Posts: 2056 May 6 10 1:25 PM Magister Archivorum Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think the manner of wearing the stole in the Ordinary Form has bishops crossing their stoles, and priests not crossing, just the opposite of the Extraordinary Form. I vaguely remember this change being justified in that the Ordinary Form's rules are supposed to reflect more ancient practices. Dan (Counter-Reformed Roman Catholic)
HieromonkAmbrose		#90	[-]
Posts: 11 May 7 10 2:56 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Metropolitan Seraphim (William Henry Hugo Newman-Norton) of the British Oriental Orthodox Church (a diocese of the Coptic Patriarchate) on the EO Western Rite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgKT8nbkyw0
hieromonachusaidanus		#91	[-]
Posts: 376 May 7 10 9:06 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Christus surrexit! I'm not ignoring Fr. Ambrose's youtube link; it's just I have no means to view it right now. Regarding stole usage, I should point out that in what people THINK of as the Sarum Use, the priest does cross his stole. That's because people think of the Sarum Use as what was done in the late middle ages when the standard books were printed, and even just the part of the Use's history that came after the 12th or 13th century. Against such a view, I point out that services were done at Sarum before the appearance of the first known Sarum manuscripts, and there is actually a lot of info available on that period in the life of the Sarum Use. Without amice and maniple, Toto, I don't think we're in Romanrite anymore... Also the amice can get neglected by altar servers and lower ministers, as if it's a thing peculiarly apropos to a priest. Fr. Aidan+ sinner Holy Protection Russian Orthodox Church, Austin, Texas http://www.orthodoxaustin.org
HieromonkAmbrose	Romophobia in the Western Rite	#92	[-]
Posts: 11 Aug 19 10 10:56 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Romophobia in the Western Rite http://padretexwest.blogs...8/romophobia-in-wrv.html
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